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educational qualifications of the people. Now, if the Senator objects to me or 
anybody else trying to find out in that way how many people are capable of 
voting over there under this law if it should pass, I do not understand the reason 
for it.
Mr. TILLMAN. I do not object. I simply asked the Senator to give the 
source of his information.
Mr. CULLOM.   I am giving it.
Mr. TILLMAN. He seems to think that I impeach that in-formation as being 
untrue or unworthy of credence.
Mr. CULLOM. The Senator attacked the proposition that I Should be getting 
it from anybody around here.
Mr. TILLMAN. No, sir; I asked the Senator where he got that information.
Mr. CULLOM.   I told him.
Mr. TILLMAN.   Yon said from some man who ought to know.
Mr. CULLOM.   From a gentleman who ought to know.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Chair desires to call attention to the 
rule-a rule which it is absolutely necessary for the decorum of debate should 
be strictly observed:
When a Senator desires to speak, he shall rise and address the Presiding 
Officer, and shall not proceed until lie is recognized.
No Senator shall interrupt another Senator in debate without his consent, 
and to obtain such consent he shall first address the Presiding Officer.
He must not only address the Presiding Officer, but he must wait until the 
Presiding Officer has obtained the consent of the Senator who is debating that 
the interruption shall occur.
I do not read this, I beg the Senator from South Carolina to understand, for 
his benefit. I read it for the benefit of Senators. This rule, for the last several 
days and for a considerable time, has been absolutely neglected, and it is very 
important, in my judgment, for the decorum of debate that it should be strictly 
Mr. TILLMAN. Mr. President, with the consent of the Senator from Illinois, 
who has the floor, I will simply say that it has never been enforced since I have 
been a member of this body.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Does the Senator from Illinois yield to the 
Senator from South Carolina?
Mr. CULLOM.   I do.
Mr. TILLMAN. Mr. President, I will repeat that since I have been a member 
of this body, the latitude of debate has never been tied down to any such iron-
bound rule as that; but we have usually risen, as I have done to-day, saying 
"Mr. President," and then proceed to interrogate the Senator with the usual 
license of debate, give and take, and I think the Chair will find that no Senator 
here will agree with him, that it has only begun within the last three months, 
or the last three weeks, either.
Mr. CULLOM. I am not going to quarrel with the Senator from South 
Carolina for interrupting me.
Mr. TILLMAN.   Oh, we can not quarrel.
Mr. CULLOM. I hope I may be allowed to go on now for a little while.
I have found the paper which I tried to find a while ago. It is an estimate of 
the qualified voters under this bill for the first year. It is as follows: Hawaiians and 
part Hawaiians, 10,000; Portuguese, 2,300; Americans and Europeans, 3,000. The 
total is more than I thought it was, 15,300. That is for the house of 
representatives under the intelligence provision. Under the property qualification 
4,500 will vote for senator, divided about as follows: Americans and Europeans, 
2,800; Hawaiians and part Hawaiians, 1,100; Portuguese, 600. That is the statement I 
desired to read, not to embarrass this debate, but simply because I happen to 
have it and I thought it might be of some information to the Senate.
Mr. TILLMAN. Mr. President, will the Senator from Illinois permit me?
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Does the Senator from Illinois yield to the 
Senator from South Carolina?
Mr. CULLOM.   I yield.
Mr. TILLMAN. Will the Senator give us the name of the man who furnished 
this information?
Mr. CULLOM. I do not know whether or not I am at liberty to do so, but I 
will venture to. The information was famished to me by Judge Hartwell and 
Mr. Smith, late attorney-general. Is that satisfactory?
Mr. TILLMAN. Perfectly, although I know nothing about either of them, 
but I suppose they are perfectly reliable.
Mr. CULLOM.   I know a good deal about both of them.
Mr. TILLMAN. May I ask the Senator from Illinois another question?
Mr. CULLOM.   Certainly.
Mr. TILLMAN. I see no provision in this bill, at least I have not come across 
it yet, for the registration of voters prior to voting.
Mr. CULLOM. There are provisions providing for registration.
Mr. TILLMAN. For registration tinder the property qualification and the 
educational qualification?
Mr. CULLOM,   A registration of qualified voters.

Mr. TILLMAN.   It Is in the bill?
Mr. CULLOM.   In the bill.
Mr. TILLMAN.   It is provided for?
Mr. CULLOM.   In the law of Hawaii also.
Mr. TILLMAN. Ah! The Senator imagines, if I may interrupt him again, that 
we who have not been studying this question as he has are as familiar with it as 
he is, and when we try to get some light on the intricate problems presented 
here in this new-fangled idea of government, he resents our inquiries, 
apparently. I have no other purpose, and I do not have any idea that the Senator 
has any other purpose, than to give these people the best government they can 
get under the circumstances.
But I confess, Mr. President, that there are anomalies here, and 
contradictions, and extraordinary provisions that need interpretation and 
explanation. I have not had the time, and very few Senators here have had the 
time, to even read the bill through consecutively; but we have seen so many 
instances in which amendments have been accepted by the Senator from Illinois 
who is in charge of the bill that it shows ho himself is not certain whether this 
is the best law that could be framed. When the Senator gets through I will 
elaborate a little on some of the points that I have just discussed, because I do 
not want to cut him off too long, and I am afraid he would consider that I was 
trespassing on his courtesy too far.
Mr. CULLOM. I never so consider it. It is perfectly evident without the 
Senator stating it, that he has not read the bill. But the fact is that there are 
provisions in the bill for the registration of legal voters, and of, course when a 
man comes up to be registered he will be cross-examined perhaps as to what he has 
and whether he can read and write, and all that sort of thing, and finally he is 
Mr. SPOONER.   That is provided in section 18.
Mr. CULLOM.   Yes; look at section 18.
Now, Mr. President, I am sure I do not want anything done by the Senate 
with reference to this bill that is not satisfactory to the body. The commission 
framed and the committee reported the bill and believed that it was substantially 
right. I said in the opening speech I made here that there are some things in it 
that I did not entirely agree to. I repeat, that I had hesitation in regard to some 
provisions; and I might say that I opposed for a time the property qualification 
of senators. I am standing here advocating the bill generally, with the statement 
that so far as I am concerned, I have doubted whether that property qualification 
would be necessary.
But here is a community of people who have been living under a republic for 
three or four years, and somewhat under a strain. Not knowing exactly what the 
public sentiment of the masses was, and feeling all the time that we ought to give 
them a government at the start that would enable them to hold control in the 
hands of the best element of. the islands until the question of loyalty to the 
United States could be a little more thoroughly tested, and to see, also, whether 
it was safe to go beyond what they have been doing and liberalize the 
government there more than even we have done, we reduced the property 
qualification from $1,500 to $1,000 (and I believe the personal-property 
qualification was $3,000), and we reported that sort of a bill.
There was something said about the voters in this country. I do not want to 
stir up my friend from South Carolina when I refer to that. I voted in the House 
of Representatives for both the fourteenth and fifteenth amendments. I have 
nothing to take back for either now or at any time hereafter, so far as I know. I 
do not want to bring the subject into this discussion except to say that at the time 
those amendments were adopted it seemed to the country that it was the best 
and the only thing that it could do. The colored people had been given their civil 
rights, and we gave them finally the elective franchise in order that they might 
defend their civil rights and their personal property and all that. So I voted for 
both amendments, and I have yet to be made to believe that I made a mistake in 
doing it. With my light on the subject, I would vote for them again to-day if the 
question came before the country.
Now, Mr. President, I hope we shall goon with the bill and perfect it as quickly 
as possible, so that we may get something passed for the benefit of those islands.
Mr. MORGAN. Mr. President, the precise amendment that is under 
discussion at this time relates to the judicial establishment in the Hawaiian 
Mr. RAWLINS. Will the Senator yield to me for a moment? I desire to offer 
an amendment to the bill, and I should like to present it now, so that the Senator 
may consider it in his remarks
Mr. MORGAN.   Very good.   Let it be read.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Does the Senator from Utah desire to have 
the amendment read?
Mr. RAWLINS. Yes, sir. I propose to amend by adding to section 82, 
chapter 4, what I send to the desk.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Secretary will read the amendment.

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