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Mr. BACON.   The last remark I made was that I hoped I might
have the attention of the Senator from Illinois --
Mr..CULLOM.   I was trying to give it to the Senator from
Georgia.
Mr. BACON.   For the reason that the suggestion I propose to
make is for a practical purpose.   I was trying to show the diffi-
culty of oar contrasting the two measures, which it is recognized
by every one we should have a fair opportunity to do.   We passed
an elaborate bill upon the subject of the government of the Ha-
waiian Islands.   We sent it to the House.   The House sent us
back a bill in the form of a substitute.
In other words, they sent back what purported to be an entire
bill.   That bill corresponded very largely with the Senate bill; but
still, from the fact that they sent it back not in the shape of amend-
ments to the various provisions of the Senate bill, but in the shape
of a substantive entire bill, it would be with the utmost difficulty
that we could take the Senate bill and compare it with the House
bill, for the reason that even where it corresponds with the Senate
bill it is simply put down as part of the House bill, and where it
differs from the Senate bill there is nothing to indicate that that
is something in which it differs.   It is all printed as a new bill,
and the only thing that appears to us from this bill by which we
can form any accurate judgment as to differences is as to amend-
ments proposed by the conferees to the House bill.   In other
words, the whole of the bill before us, the House substitute, which
is a bill in its entirety, is printed in the ordinary roman text.
The House bill, so far as it has been amended by the conferees,
has had the part rejected stricken through in the ordinary way,
and the part substituted printed in italics in the ordinary way.
The report of the conference committee shows in what the con-
ferees differ from the provisions of the House bill, but there is
nothing in this bill as printed by which we can judge as to how
far the Senate bill has been changed, and I think it ought to be
printed in some way so that when we read a section we will be
able to see that that section is as it left the Senate, or, if that sec-
tion, has been changed, it ought to be so indicated that we can,
from a perusal of that section, tell in what particular it has been
changed.   As it is now, the only way in which we can compare
the bill reported by the conferees with the Senate bill is to take
the original Seriate bill in the one hand and the House bill in the
other, and possibly requiring that there shall be two engaged in
it at the same time, one reading the provision in the Senate bill
and the other reading the corresponding provision in the House
bill, for the purpose of determining whether or not there has been
any change in the Senate provision by the House provision, and
if so, what has been the change.
Now, I fully understand, of course, that the Senator from Illi-
nois will as clearly and as accurately as it is practicable for any-
body to do, point out to us the changes; but I do say it is impos-
sible for anyone verbally to point out the changes in such a way
that it will enable us to determine whether or not they are such
changes as will meet with our approval.
Mr. CULLOM.   The Senator from Georgia has stated largely
the facts as they exist with reference to the conduct of this bill
from one House of Congress to the other.   It is true, as stated,
that the Senate passed a bill.   It went to the House, and instead,
as we naturally supposed they would do, of their amending the
Senate bill in the ordinary way, they did as the Senator has
stated - struck out all after the enacting clause and substituted the
bill called the House bill.   That bill, however, was largely the
same bill, containing very many of the same sections, without
amendment, that the Senate passed.   For instance, I have here
a bill not exactly as it passed the Senate, because it is printed
with the amendments made by the House incorporated; and, for
instance, section 2, section 6, section 7, section 8, I believe sec-
tion 9 --
Mr. BACON.   I would inquire of the Senator whether he is
prepared to take up the two bills, section by section, and show the
sections which are identical and those in which changes have
been made?
Mr. CULLOM.   I can as to most of the bill.   I wish to say that
I do not want anything unreasonable in reference to this matter.
All I want is to get the conference report considered as soon as
we can consistently, and with all the information that anybody
wants, if we can give it.   But there are a large number of very
inconsequential amendments made to the Senate bill, which con-
stitute what is called the substitute or House bill, to which the
Senate conferees agreed: but the substantial provisions of the
bill, or many of them, are as the Senate passed the bill.   For in-
stance, as to the land matter, the Senate provisions on that sub-
ject arc accepted by the House.   As to the Federal court, the
Senate provision was accepted by the House - I mean the House
conferees, not the House itself.   So most of the important provi-
sions of the bill as it passed the Senate are retained in the bill as
it comes before the Senate now in the conference report and ex-
actly, so far as concerns the provision establishing a Federal
court, as it passed the Senate of the United States.

If the Senator is very anxious for a little time, I wish to inquire
whether a couple of hours would be all that is necessary for the
Senator, or would he want a longer time to look over the two bills?
Mr. BACON.   Mr. President --
Mr. CULLOM.   I desire to say before that is done --
Mr. BACON.   I think the same course ought to be punned in
this matter that is pursued ordinarily, that we ought to have this
measure printed in a way that we can conveniently compare the
two.
Mr. CULLOM.   I was going to say you can get bills now, if
you desire them, with the Senate bill all stricken out, lines drawn
through its text, but still you can read exactly what the provisions
are.   There are plenty of those bills which can be secured at any
time.                      
Mr. BACON.   The Senator will pardon me.
Mr.   CULLOM.   It is very difficult to print this report - be-
cause that is what it is now - in any other way than it is printed,
because it is a substitute, and the substitute was acted upon by
the conferees, and all the amendments that are in the substitute
were concurred in by the conferees of the two Houses.    I can
hardly see how you can print the bill so as to give any more light
upon the subject than you can get now than by getting the Sen-
ate bill as amended by the House, striking out all after the en-
acting clause and inserting the House bill, except that yon want
to get the amendments to the substitute which passed the House,
because the conferees have amended that measure.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore.   The Chair desires to call the
attention of the Senator from Illinois to the last amendment -
Section 104, line 3, after the word "section." strike out the word "fifty-
two," and insert in lieu thereof "fifty-three."
It is clearly a mistake.
Mr. CULLOM.   Yes.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore.   The Chair knows of no way
in which it can be remedied except by the Senator withdrawing
the report and having the committee of conference amend it.
There is no other way of which the Chair knows.
Mr. CULLOM.   I think the conferees on the part of the Senate
regarded that as a mistake in writing "three" instead of "two."
The PRESIDENT pro tempore.   It appears very clearly in both
reports, House and Senate, to have been a deliberate striking out
of "fifty-two" and inserting "fifty-three."   A report of a confer-
ence committee can not be amended, and the Chair knows of no
way except for the Senator to withdraw the report and have the
conferees correct it.
Mr. CULLOM.   I am fully aware that an ordinary error can
not be changed by any one of the conferees without the consent
of all, but I regarded this, and I think my colleague on the con-
ference committee thought so, too, as a sort of clerical mistake,
which might be corrected without referring it back.   But if the
Chair thinks differently, of course we will act accordingly.   It
was a mistake on the part of the clerk.
Mr. BACON.   As the report is not to be considered now, I
should like to ask the Senator from Illinois whether it is not prac-
ticable in the interim to have the bill so printed that we can tell
in what particulars changes have been made without having to
take the two bills and read them paragraph by paragraph.
Mr. CULLOM.   How would the Senator suggest that it be
printed so that it would be any plainer than it is now, with the
bill as it passed the Senate before him?
Mr. BACON.   I do not know how I can better answer the Sen-
ator than to refer to the suggestion which he made to me.   The
Senator asked me whether or not two hours would be sufficient
for me to take these two bills and retire to some secluded spot and
compare them.   If I did so, that would not be information for the
balance of the Senate.   There are other Senators here as well as
I who want to have this information.   I am not asking it for
myself alone.
Mr. CULLOM.   I understand.
Mr. BACON.   And it ought to be put in shape where the Senate
will be advised of the changes which are made.   We want to know
two things.   We want to know, in the first place, what changes
the House bill makes in the Senate bill.   That does not appear by
any printed document we have here, except we have the printed
Senate bill and we have the printed House bill, the one to be com-
pared with the other.   The other thing we want to know is this:
After the House, by means of a substitute, has amended the Sen-
ate proposition, in what particulars has the conference committee
changed the two propositions?
Mr. CULLOM.   That is shown in the bill which the Senator
has before him.
Mr. BACON.   I understand that thoroughly.
Mr. CULLOM.   Then why. do you ask the question?
Mr. BACON.   I am not asking the question.   I am stating
what is the issue we have to make.  I say there are two things
upon which we are to be informed when we come to pass upon
this question.   We have the amendments proposed by the confer-
ence committee to the House substitute, but there is nothing there

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