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to show how far the conference committee has adopted what was 
originally the Senate provision or how far it has adopted that 
which was the House provision. 
Mr. TILLMAN.   I suggest to the Senator from Georgia and the 
Senator from Illinois that the usual course has been to number 
the amendments to any bill which the Senate has sent to the 
House of Representatives and to point out just what changes or 
substitutions have been made.   If that were done in respect to 
this bill, we could very easily keep track of it. 
Mr. LODGE    There was but one amendment made to this bill. 
Mr. CULLOM.   By the House. 
Mr. LODGE.  It is impossible to number the amendments, as 
the Senator from South Carolina suggests, as there was but one 
amendment, to strike out all after the enacting clause and insert 
the House bill.   All that the conferees could do under that cir- 
cumstance was to report back the amendment with amendments. 
There was no other way of doing it.   We followed that method, 
which is the only one open to us.   The House bill is in the main 
the Senate bill, and there is no way of getting at the changes ex- 
cept by laying the Senate bill alongside the conference report and 
comparing them line by line. 
Mr. BACON.   Could not that comparison, after it was made, 
be put in writing, so that it could be printed and brought to us? 
Mr. LODGE.   It is hero on your desk.   You can not do any- 
thing except to put the two bills together. 
Mr. BACON.   I am speaking of the comparison being put in 
writing.   Take section 3 of the bill; if it is identical, it would be 
perfectly competent by marginal notes to say "no change."   Take 
section 4; if that has been stricken out and another substituted, it 
would be perfectly competent to. put the stricken lines through 
Senate section No. 4, and to put adjacent thereto the House sec- 
tion No. 4 which has been substituted therefor.   As it is, we have 
the bill in its entirety as it left the Senate stricken through, and 
we have the bill in its entirety as it came back from the House 
put in italics, but there is nothing by which we can contrast one 
section with another. 
Mr. LODGE.   The great mass of the two bills is the same, and 
the great mass of the amendments are perfectly trivial amend- 
ments, chiefly verbal.   The important amendments can be com- 
pared by any Senator by laying the Senate bill alongside the 
conference report.   'There is no other way to compare them.   If 
we printed what the Senator from Georgia asks for, it would be 
simply printing the Senate bill alongside of the conference report. 
He would have to make the comparison just the same when they 
were printed together. 
Mr. BACON.   It would not be the same if each section which 
was not amended was so stated, and if each section which was 
amended should be expressed as amended and the amendment 
printed in full by the side of it, so that we could see what it is. 
Mr. LODGE.   There are a great mass of amendments.   I am 
not sure that I understand just what kind of a reprint the Senator 
from Georgia wants; but if I do understand, it would be a very 
great labor to reprint all those small amendments; to take the 
Senate bill, compare it line by line, word by word, with the House 
substitute and show every change, small and large, and then all 
the amendments made in the conference report, which are the 
only important ones. 
Mr. BACON.   Let me ask the Senator from Massachusetts a 
question, because we are both after practical results.   The Senator 
says the amendments are of two classes; that there are some ma- 
terial amendments and some trivial ones, but there are very few 
material amendments and many trivial ones.   Suppose the House, 
instead of sending us back an entire substitute which expressed 
all of its changes, had taken up th^Senate bill and had expressed 
each as a separate amendment, would it not have been perfectly 
practicable for the Senate to have printed its bill with the amend- 
ments as thus expressed by the House; and if so, is it not now 
Mr. LODGE.   The Senate bill would have come back with the 
House amendments, but the House did not amend it in that way. 
Mr. BACON.   The Senator does not let me finish my question. 
Mr. LODGE.   I beg pardon.   I thought the Senator had fin- 
Mr. BACON.   Is it not now equally practicable to take the Sen- 
ate bill and show as to each provision in what way it has been 
amended by the House substitute?   Then we could compare it 
with the conference report. 
Mr. CULLOM.   Let me make an inquiry, to find out, if I can; 
what would satisfy the Senator.   I hold in my hand a Senate bill 
with the amendments agreed to by the House incorporated in it. 
Subsequent to the House bill as a substitute coming here we had, 
as the Senator from Massachusetts and I have both stated, to con- 
sider the substitute instead of the Senate bill as it would be 
amended if the substitute were all in it.   If that would be satis- 
factory to the Senator. I can prepare a Senate bill with every pro- 
vision of the House bill as it passed the House in it.   Would that 
satisfy him?            

Mr. BACON.   Showing what was the Senate bill and what was 
Mr. CULLOM.   Showing what the Senate did with the Home 
Mr. BACON.   The Senator means what the House did with the 
Senate bill.                          
Mr. CULLOM.   Showing what amendments the House bill 
makes to the Senate bill. 
Mr. BACON.   That is all I want.     
Mr. CULLOM.   We could not consider it in that way in con- 
ference, because the bill before us was the Senate bill with the 
number and title Only and the House bill in place of all after the 
enacting clause.   But if it will satisfy the Senator, I am willing 
to postpone the further consideration of this matter to-day and to 
prepare a Senate bill with every amendment in it made by the 
Mr. BACON.   That is everything I could possibly ask. 
Mr. CULLOM.   And then that will have to be compared with 
the substitute bill as amended by the conferees. 
Mr. BACON.   As amended by the conferees.   The substitute 
bill, in other words, will correspond with the bill which the Sen- 
ator proposes to prepare. 
Mr. CULLOM.   What does the Senator want; the Senate bill 
with the House amendments as it passed the House or the Senate 
bill with the House amendments as amended by the conferees? 
Mr. BACON.   That is shown now, Mr. President.   The amend- 
ments of the conferees are shown. 
Mr. CULLOM.   But it would not be on the same paper. 
Mr. BACON.   So far as the amendments of the conferees are 
concerned there is no trouble about them. 
Mr. CULLOM.   No. 
Mr. BACON.   But the trouble is that the Senate conferees agreed 
to the House bill with certain changes; and we are unable to see 
what changes have been made in the Senate bill by the House bill, 
and if the Senator will prepare that which will show in what par- 
ticulars the House bill as it came back from the House and before 
it went to the conferees changed the Senate bill, that is all that is 
Mr. CULLOM.   I will undertake to do that to satisfy the Sena- 
tor from Georgia and Senators generally.   I will prepare a Senate 
bill with all the amendments made to it by the House and have it 
printed and before the Senate as soon as I can get it ready.   It may 
be a day or two, as it involves considerable work. 
Mr. TILLMAN.   Do I understand that the Senate conferees 
agreed absolutely to the changes of the House?   Are there no 
changes in the House bill? 
Mr. CULLOM.   If the Senator from South Carolina will look 
at his bill he will see that there are a great many changes. 
Mr. TILLMAN.   Unless you point out the changes which the 
House made to the Senate bill and also the changes which the con- 
ferees made in the House bill, we will still be at sea. 
Mr. CULLOM.   The bill I reported shows the amendments made 
by the conferees.   So I do not need to go over that any more, I 
should think. 
Mr. CLAY.   I desire to ask the Senator from Illinois whether 
it is not a fact now that we have before vis the bill as it passed the 
Senate and went to the House, and that which the House reported 
and passed as a substitute, and then the conference report insert- 
ing certain amendments to that substitute? 
Mr. CULLOM.   Certainly. 
Mr. CLAY.   We have the two bills printed in one.   If you 
take up section 1 of the Senate bill and section 2 of the House bill 
can you not compare them and thoroughly understand them? 
Mr. CULLOM.   Certainly. 
Mr. CLAY.   And then simply see the amendments inserted by 
the conference committee? 
Mr. CULLOM.   Certainly; it is all there. 
Mr. CLAY.   It strikes me we have the bills before us now. 
Mr. CULLOM.   The lines are marked out, according to the 
Printer's rule, but you can read it easily enough.   But if it is in- 
sisted that I shall prepare the bill as the senior Senator from Geor- 
gia suggests I am willing to do it, so that it shall be perfectly 
Mr. BACON.   I hope the Senator will do that. 
Mr. CULLOM.   I withdraw the report for the time being, and 
will comply with the wishes of the Senate as nearly as possible as . 
regards the printing.

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